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VIDEOVIEW: Vodafone LG KS20 - Features II
Posted by Arne Hess - on Tuesday, 27.11.07 - 15:39:34 CET under 08 - Reviews - Viewed 25702x
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In this video view I want to follow the previous video view, showing you some more high- and lowlights of the Vodafone LG KS20.
First of all the Google Maps implementation which LG has implemented to work perfectly with Vodafone Germany's cellular network. Even if the LG KS20 doesn't features a GPS receiver you can use the inbuilt Google Maps application to localize yourself through the Vodafone 2G and 3G network. That's pretty handy (even if I'm sure it's not working in international roaming on other Vodafone networks) as well as the vanilla KS20 will definitely not support this feature.

A lowlight (but who to blame for - LG or Microsoft) is the absence of a thumb-optimized keyboard. The LG KS20 features the standard Windows Mobile input methods only (including the soft-keyboard and Transcriber) which is definitely not designed to be used with the thumb but with the stylus. This makes it inconvenient to write text messages, etc. because you are forced to use the stylus. Here I definitely recommend the installation of one of the either free or commercial thumb-keyboards in addition to make text input easier.

More to come soon - stay tuned.

Cheers ~ Arne


 
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Posted by MTM on 27.11.07 - 19:31:37

Thanks again for a nice video review.

It seems as the problems I could seem to have with this device is either really small ones (like the 'squashy' screen) or software fixable (on-screen keypad, scrolling).

Maybe your final review will tell, but on top of my mind I only have these questions left:

1) Is the build quality good and how is the one-hand handling (it's like the Touch, I guess, but haven't got around to try one out)

2) Have you had the chance to see if it supports microSDHC? If not, have you got the opportunity to check if works with the SDHC cab from XDA-Developers (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthr … light=sdhc)? (As far as I know it's some code taken from the new release of Windows CE 6, which natively supports SDHC cards). I understand if you can't try it out smile

3) On a completely personal matter, how does this stack up in terms of ease of use compared to HTC Touch Dual hardware-wise (if you can overlook the software issues like missing finger-friendly keypad and scrolling, that can be installed later on). I guess the Touch Dual is better with it's keypad, but is it by a far margin?

4) Have you got any idea when this will be available SIM free and unbranded? I hope Vodafone hasn't got exclusivity for the rest of the year sad

Again, thanks the videos and answers, it's really nice smile

Posted by A2E on 28.11.07 - 22:23:16

How's battery life? It seems to be, according to the specs, quite poor compared to other new devices, and the main reason I'm still waiting off to order one...

Posted by MTM on 29.11.07 - 00:35:58

A2E wrote:

How's battery life? It seems to be, according to the specs, quite poor compared to other new devices, and the main reason I'm still waiting off to order one...

Seems fine smile

http://www.theunwired.net/?item=follow- … g-sgh-i780

Posted by A2E on 29.11.07 - 22:41:43

Thanks - didn't see that... It wasn't tagged under the KS-20...
Now I have to make up my mind - LG KS20 or Touch Cruise (Orbit 2, whatever)... big_smile

Posted by MTM on 01.12.07 - 14:30:50

A2E wrote:

Thanks - didn't see that... It wasn't tagged under the KS-20...
Now I have to make up my mind - LG KS20 or Touch Cruise (Orbit 2, whatever)... big_smile

A tough choice - size and design vs. GPS smile

Arne, when can we expect more about KS20? I'm dying for a full review big_smile

Also, I have one more question I have totally forgot about: Are the call and hang-up keys touch sensitive or 'normal' mechanical keys (with physical feedback)?

Posted by A2E on 01.12.07 - 21:41:38

MTM wrote:

A tough choice - size and design vs. GPS smile

The truth is I'm really not into the GPS on the cruise too much.  I am, however, more comfertable buying a model with a Touch UI that seems, according to all the reviews, to have been profected (or as close to it) over the last few HTC models, while the review of the KS20 seems to point out many holes in the custom UI.  Also, despite the Unwired's battery test, it seems other sites list the Cruise as having several more hours of juice to it compared to the LG, which is also an issue for me.

Posted by MTM on 02.12.07 - 02:11:00

A2E wrote:

The truth is I'm really not into the GPS on the cruise too much.  I am, however, more comfertable buying a model with a Touch UI that seems, according to all the reviews, to have been profected (or as close to it) over the last few HTC models, while the review of the KS20 seems to point out many holes in the custom UI.  Also, despite the Unwired's battery test, it seems other sites list the Cruise as having several more hours of juice to it compared to the LG, which is also an issue for me.

The user interface on Touch Cruise is definitely more finger-friendly and perfected, but a lot, if not all, of it can be reproduced by third-party applications and tweaks. Of course, that would mean you would have to spend some time on finding, installing and tweaking those things - which you may not be interested in or have the time to do smile

Touch Cruise's battery has larger capacity, so it should last longer, as it uses the same hardware (almost 100% identical chip set, RAM, etc.), but so has TyTN II, and it performs the same as KS20, so it's hard to say anything for certain on that matter.

Bugs could also be a concern. LG has not produced that many Windows Mobile devices (this is their first non-Asian Windows Mobile device, I think), so it could potentially have more bugs than HTC's products.

Still, I think I'm going for the KS20. My other choice would be Touch Dual, but it still ticks me off a little, that HTC decided to leave out WiFi on that model. I may end up buying Touch Dual, though, if not KS20 is released unbranded and unlocked before Christmas. Still no sign on how long Vodafone's exclusivity lasts - I'm hoping for a month, which would mean it should be out in a couple of weeks smile

Posted by MTM on 02.12.07 - 02:14:05

By the way, do you have any links to a site that have tested the Touch Cruise and KS20, which says Touch Cruise has better battery life? I would be interested to read such a test smile

Posted by A2E on 02.12.07 - 14:00:03

MTM wrote:

By the way, do you have any links to a site that have tested the Touch Cruise and KS20, which says Touch Cruise has better battery life? I would be interested to read such a test smile

I don't have a link to a test - but LG's website says the KS20 has 4 hours of talk time, while HTC's says the Cruise has 7.  Also, if you want someone more neutral, PDAdb.net lists the KS20 as having 8 and the Cruise as having 11.  I don't know what test they base this on, but as the Cruise has a bigger battery, it makes sense.
BTW, my current antique [non-pda] phone is listed as 7 hours talk time, which I find is enough for me.  But if I believe LG ant not PDAdb.net - then the KS20 has just about half that --  and I'll be using it for a lot more than just talking...

Posted by Arne Hess on 02.12.07 - 18:10:37

Ok guys - just came back from Amsterdam/Möbius 2007 and in the following days I will try to catch-up with your questions and jump into the discussions.
The KS20 review is coming this week and regarding the Touch Cruise - that one is delayed because of a serious bug HTC found which delays all the ROMs of all Touch Cruise builds (incl. the O2 Xda orbit 2). Therefore nobody can say today how good the talk-time or stand-by is (the orbit 2 I had was neither the final hardware nor anything close to a ROM release candidate).

Posted by MTM on 02.12.07 - 22:17:45

A2E wrote:

MTM wrote:

By the way, do you have any links to a site that have tested the Touch Cruise and KS20, which says Touch Cruise has better battery life? I would be interested to read such a test smile

I don't have a link to a test - but LG's website says the KS20 has 4 hours of talk time, while HTC's says the Cruise has 7.  Also, if you want someone more neutral, PDAdb.net lists the KS20 as having 8 and the Cruise as having 11.  I don't know what test they base this on, but as the Cruise has a bigger battery, it makes sense.
BTW, my current antique [non-pda] phone is listed as 7 hours talk time, which I find is enough for me.  But if I believe LG ant not PDAdb.net - then the KS20 has just about half that --  and I'll be using it for a lot more than just talking...

I wouldn't trust official numbers too much. I have seen real life tests showing both much better and much worse than official numbers. PDAdb.net isn't any better - their numbers are probably even more estimative. I would wait for someone to make some real life tests. That said, I think Touch Cruise is at least as good as KS20 in the battery department, if not better.

Arne, looking forward to your review of KS20 smile Does the problem with the ROM on Touch Cruise delay the release date?

Posted by user on 03.12.07 - 23:37:15

Another mini-handson review, which also points out the UI disadvantages mentioned by Arne: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8646.html

Posted by user on 04.12.07 - 00:14:56

MTM wrote:

By the way, do you have any links to a site that have tested the Touch Cruise and KS20, which says Touch Cruise has better battery life? I would be interested to read such a test smile

A review of the Cruise with battery life tests.  No comparisson to the KS20, though:
http://www.smape.com/en/reviews/htc/htc … ev.html#15

Posted by _MTM_ on 04.12.07 - 02:36:24

Thanks for the links.

I've found this site, which lists availability of the unbranded (vanilla) KS20 as December 10th: http://www.popularelect.com/product_inf … cts_id=843

I hope it's true :-)

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