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PHONE EDITION: The new Fujitsu Siemens Loox Pocket PC 2002 includes the Phone Edition by default
Posted by Arne Hess - on Tuesday, 09.04.02 - 15:08:00 CET under 02 - Windows Mobile News - Viewed 6993x
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Acceding to Fujitsu Siemens new Flash info site fro the new Loox, this Pocket PC 2002 will be shipped with the preinstalled version of the Phone Edition, which is normally only used for integrated devices, like the O2 xda or the HP WDA.

This means in fact, that - if you plug-in the separate shipped GPRS module - the Loox becomes a full Pocket PC 2002 Phone Edition. This is completely different from the Compaq iPAQ approach, where Compaq uses an self-made application for its Wireless Jacket!

That's pretty cool as Fujitsu Siemens can guarantee the complete integration/compatibility of Pocket PC 2002 and Phone Edition modules. See the full Flash info by clicking the More Information link below.

Cheers ~ Arne

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Posted by Jerome on 09.04.02 - 00:00:00

I saw it this week-end also ! That is very good news ! This device is really killing me smile
I also like the BT "Audio" profile... I hope it will be "bi-directionnal" ie not only to use a BT headset with the LOOX but also to use the LOOX as a "hand-free" kit for my T68 wink

Posted by Bryce on 09.04.02 - 00:00:00

Smart. Very Smart.  By taking the seperate module approach, presumably Siemens leaves the door open for CDMA/1XRTT and 3G support in addition to the announced GPRS support.

What doesn't the Seimens Loox have? A 400Mhz X-Scale Processor, SD/MMC and CF support, great button layout, including a jog-wheel on the left (which is curiously absent on the O2 XDA),  Built-In blue tooth, expansion battery, Phone Edition, etc.

I don't know why I wasn't paying more attention to this device before today, but as it stands now, this will be my next Pocket PC.  Now the only question is when and where can I get my hands on one!

Posted by jpzr on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

I also am thinking about this device, but my only doubt: what I will do with all those gadgets from iPAQ? I would prefer Compaq would release such device but with the same featuresm, like XScale process.

No, I will rather wait for Compaq to release device with Xscale...

Posted by Anonymous on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

Fucking Awesome!!

Posted by mane on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

So with the GPRS-Module it will be comparable to the HP concerning usage as Smartphone ...
Will it also "feel" like one unit?
Is is stable enough attached for real day-to-day-use?
Will it also have vibrating alarm?
The HP will have GPRS Multislot Class 8 - and this one?
The video tells us, it can be used with or without headset - in the second case: will it be "device to ear" or speakerphone or - hopefully - both?
And how will it react when listening to MP3s - and a call comes in?
Looks (or loox? ;-) ) like I will buy the device as soon as it's available in May(?) - and get the GPRS-Module also asap in August ...

Posted by Spyder on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

Someone asked "what doesn't the Loox have?"
Well, one very important thing for next generation pdas: built-in WLAN!

I really think it rocks that it comes with the Phone Ed, but it'll be a real hassle to fiddle with the GPRS and 802.11 cards several times a day - being able to have only one of these at any given time.

Wouldn't it be even more awesome to have a streaming session put on hold as a voice call comes in smile only to resumed after the call?

Come to think of it, the GPRS card is gonna kill the battery in no time (even with the claimed 14 hours which probably means 6 in real use), unless of course, if its replaceable or it takes an addon to feed the increased power requirement.

Anyone know if the battery on the Loox is replaceable or is it fixed?

Posted by APuk on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

The battery is fixed. But the GPRS module includes an additional battery. Don't forget that the new X-scales processors consume much less battery power than current ARM processors. You may also notice that the Loox has a power saving mode, whereby reducing the speed of the processor at times of inactivity the Loox is able to save a huge amount of battery life that would otherwise be consumed. I am lead to believe that this will be a pocket pc that has the best battery life of all current PPCs.


Posted by Arne Hess on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

@APUK: You are right with the additional battery of the GPRS module, at least it's the same idea like the Compaq Wireless Pack.

Also reducing the CPU speed should save battery - that's right.
Also don't miss my pictures of the Loox I made on CeBIT last month! There You can also see a picture of the Power Saving mode:

Posted by Anonymous on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

does anybody know what technology that gprs is using gsm single dual or tri-band??

looks awesome but i guess that gprs module better be gsm and at least tri-band.

i guess compaq is next with the xscale processor

Posted by Arne Hess on 10.04.02 - 00:00:00

@Anonymous: Hmmm... That's a good question. In generall, Siemens is able to provide all three possibilities with its MC35, TC35 or MC 45 (see link here). As far as I've heard, it is at least dual-band and Compaq set the benchmark with tripple-band, so i expect to see a tripple-band module too!
Cheers ~ Arne

Posted by jlp on 11.04.02 - 00:00:00

Spyder, since the GPRS module is an add-on sled-like accessory, it looks like you can use it together with an 802.11 card

Posted by Spyder on 14.04.02 - 00:00:00

Thanks for the responses. Yes, I discovered that the main unit has a fixed battery and that the GPRS hook-on comes with its own battery.

Now that raises more questions. Is the GPRS battery a dedicated one (only for powering the fone)? If it is, thats ok, as long as it doesnt suck juice from the main unit (it being fixed and all). Then, is the GPRS battery replaceable or fixed?

IMHO, since the one on the main unit is fixed (say what you will about reduced power consumption of xscale cpu's but it still doesnt give me cool comfort), it would be nice if power is drawn "cross-sequentially" from both but at least one of them is replaceable, so that you can supplement when necessary.

It remains to be seen how the LOOX actually performs on power draw before we can confidently say whether fixed is okay or not. The way I see it, if you run proggies that scale up the cpu like multimedia apps would, it ain't gonna last nothing more than what we have in today's pdas. Then, i think fixed battery is not gonna cut it?

That said, just think about it, if anything happens to your battery (and believe me things do tend to happen at the most inappropriate times), then the unit goes to the workshop and you'll find yourself up shit creek without a paddle!

Oh, btw, i heard there's also going to be a secondary battery hook-on too. (no sense asking if this would be replaceable)

Is it so difficult for them to design in a replaceable battery concept? I'm sure they'll make extra dough selling spare batteries smile


Posted by Brian on 17.04.02 - 00:00:00

I know this is a little off the subject of wireless, but does the navigation button support diagonals.  I have read in several places it did not.  I am not going to game all the time on my Loox, but I would at least like to have the option.

Posted by Oliver on 24.04.02 - 00:00:00


does anybody know when exactly the LOOX will be available in the U.S.? I called Fujitsu-Siemens Germany yesterday and they told me that the LOOX won't be available in Germany before mid of July 2002. Probably the release in the U.S. is even later then, or?

Posted by Arne Hess on 24.04.02 - 00:00:00

@Oliver: Yes, I can confirm your info about the release date in Germany. However, I don't know a release date in the US too. Acutally there are not so many information available about releases outside Germany/Europe...

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