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THOUGHT: I did it, again I bought another Apple device - after several years...
Posted by Arne Hess - on Monday, 05.04.04 - 14:32:44 CET under 09 - Thoughts - Viewed 7593x
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Okay, yesterday a couple of us Mobile Device MVPs (not to say most Europeans ;-)) visited Bellevue (which is half of the way between Seattle and Redmond) just for one reason - shopping at CompUSA... :-D
And yes, I have to admit I did it - after a long period of not using an Apple device (the last one I owned was an Apple Newton, my first PDA ever) I bought it - an Apple iPod! 8O

You might wonder know why and iPod where my Pocket PCs and Smartphones can play music as well! and I'm a Microsoft MVP? Well, for several reasons:

  • Microsoft MVPs are open minded enough to use devices and products from other manufactures as well - we are MVPs, not blind ;-)
  • The design 8O
  • The functionality and user experience 8O
  • The reason that I can store up to 40 GB of music now 8O
  • The reason that I can use it as 40 GB external (and stylish) FireWire HDD 8O
  • Up to 8 hours stand-by 8O
  • I like the iTunes online-shop business model, songs for 99 Cents (and hope to see it coming to Germany/Europe soon since it's the only business model which seems to work - in general and for me. Pay per song, not per CD).
  • Finally the FireWire ports of my Desktop and Notebook PC got a reason to exist ;-)
  • I'm a geek :-P

And best of all, I'm not the only MVP who bought one nor I'm the only MVP who owns one now (heck, I think half of us have one).

But again, why not my Pocket PCs or Smartphone? Well, that's difficult to answer but also here I have several reasons why I'm not using my Windows Mobile devices for mobile music:

  • Limited storage space: While you can store a lot of music on SD or CF cards, nothing compares to a 40 GB HDD.
  • Limited user experience: Neither a Pocket PC nor a Smartphone are designed - IMHO - to be used for extend media use. The user interface is too limited by design (which isn't a fault of the devices itself but a must have compromise since it is used for PIM, communication, mobile media, games, etc) and if you ever tried to use your Pocket PC touch screen while you was walking you know what I mean. Also I never would take my Pocket PCs to the beach (hm, will I take my iPod to the beach?).
  • Because I can use it in my car better, thanks to iTrip, a FM Transmitter for the iPod.

Okay, all these reasons are pretty soft but well, I saw it, I've played with it, I wanted it. ;-) How do you use your Windows Mobile devices? Are you using them for MP3 or what's your favorites?

Well, it's now 4:50 in the morning, here in Seattle and thanks to the jetlag (I'm up for 2 hours now) I will continue to explore the web to get more information about the iPod and how to tune it...

Cheers ~ Arne

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Posted by Arne Hess on 05.04.04 - 14:45:50

@Arne: Looks like you weren't able to wait for HP's version of the iPod. :-)

I tried it and it really sounds great. The earphones thoush they look really simple works wonders.  Nice warm tone and deep bass.

BTW, I wonder how the iPod will compare with the Windows Mobile Portable Media Centers?

Have fun in Seattle!

Mabuhay! ~ Carlo

Posted by Arne Hess on 05.04.04 - 14:55:14

Should I be honest? The apple logo on a device gives me a much better feeling than a HP logo... ;-) Apple is Apple, it's like driving an Audi, not a VW - even if both are mostly the same...

The sound is sweet - they really developed a masterpiece for mobile music but you are right - the Portable Media Center might be the next I will buy but it's not available today. I've played with a couple of Portable Media Centers at CeBIT and it's also a great piece of hardware but might be too close to the Pocket PC with its large and damageable screens. So not sure if it can compare with "just a 'MP3' player".

For example I don't think it's a good idea to carry a Portable Media Center while skiing but the iPod should be fine.

Will have fun here (if I could kill my jetlag I could have even more fun) and I'm surely miss you! :-(

Posted by DubWireless on 05.04.04 - 23:28:29

The best part of the iPod is the [url=]Accessories[/url] that expand the device. Arne, you might be interested in the [url=]Media Reader[/url] to allow the 'upload' stored images from a Digital Camera's memory card to the iPod for retrieval later, thus allowing you to re-use the memory card while out and about. It supports CompactFlash (Type 1 and 2), SmartMedia, Secure Digital (SD), Memory Stick, or MultiMediaCard (MMC).


Posted by Julio Meneses on 06.04.04 - 06:52:27

hi there,

let me start saying there are three amazing things. the first one, obviously, is the ipod itself smile the second one is that i received this item today by email asking me: hey Julio, any comments about that? but the third is indeed I was the other mvp who bought it big_smile

don't be afraid, we are not at the dark side. we're just having a look to see if we would like it big_smile

cheers from seattle! smile

Posted by Arne Hess on 06.04.04 - 11:15:06

@Julio: So you're the other MVP with the iPod... well that makes three I know of... Jenneth too has an iPod. You might want to check out the protective skins for the iPod too...

Have fun in Seattle. 

Mabuhay! ~ Carlo

Posted by RobO on 06.04.04 - 19:14:01

Like you, Arne, I'm attracted to the iTunes model where you pay a little bit per song or even a set monthly fee for unlimited downloads.  However, I'm opposed to the proprietary formats that these services demand you adopt.  I wouldn't mind paying for music, but I won't be dictated to about where and how I should use the music I've paid for.  WMA and the iPod format both carry with them that kind of baggage.

Especially, given that you're an MVP, I would think you'd have a tough time justifying paying for tunes that you can't use on your Windows-family PCs and/or devices.  For me, I'm fairly satisfied with purchasing CDs and then ripping them to MP3 format so I can use them on any of my PCs at home or work, my wife's Dell Axim PPC, or my old Nex II MP3 player (which doesn't support WMA).

Rob O.

Posted by iTuned on 06.04.04 - 20:01:26

Check out for any music downloads. According to the information given on the website it's legal.

Posted by Marlof Bregonje on 07.04.04 - 01:05:39

@Carlo, don't forget Janak. Or me. big_smile

@RobO: iTunes for Windows supports the AAC format as well, so you can play the bought music on your Windows-family PCs. The Pocket PCs don't support the AAC format (but with an iPod, there's not much need for playing music through your Pocket PC), but if you want you can burn a music CD from your AAC files, and then rerip this in any format you want. So in the end, you can use it in any way or form you choose to do. Then again, first we Europeans have to be allowed to buy in the ITMS.

Posted by adamz on 07.04.04 - 15:01:02

I think the main reason for not getting an iPod would be having to carry it around. I use my XDA2 as my MP3 player in the car constantly. The great thing is.. it also dictates directions on the stereo (at the same time as playing music) while connected to the GPS... AND the music will pause automatically when a call is recieved.  Usually I only put good music on the SD card, so.. I don't really need 40Gb.  Plus I've got a couple other SD cards with WMV movies on them for those long trips.  As far as user interface, the Pocket Windows Media Player could certainly use a redesign for song navigation and organization.  But after configuring some hardware buttons as Media Player functions, most things are quite easy to use without the screen even on.  Also, the iPod doesn't have Voice Command support for creating playlists on the fly. 

I love it when I'm sitting on a train resting my head against the window while listening to music through my XDA II when the phone rings... I slightly move my thumb to the answer button and begin talking to the caller... when the call is ended, I continue listening music.  Ever see an iPod user try to answer the phone while listening to music?

Posted by Corey McLaughlin on 08.04.04 - 04:21:48

I got my 40 Gig iPod right after Christmas and I agree as good as the Windows Mobile devices are have all my music with me is the way to go. If you have not found this site already the best source for iPod news and forums is Enjoy and be sure to post so news about your meeting in Redmond, what you can anyway

Posted by Steve Sande on 08.04.04 - 04:39:43


Welcome aboard! I used Macs exclusively between 1984 and 1995, then went to Windows PCs because my employer forced me to. I bought a Newton the first day they were available in August 1993, and became VERY upset with Apple when they killed the Newton platform in 1998. The iPod sucked me back in - I bought one of the first Windows units (10GB) in 2002 and enjoyed it so much that I sold my HP Tablet PC last year and bought an Apple PowerBook G4.

Let's face it, Apple does good hardware AND software. If they could ever do a 2004 version of a Newton MessagePad, it would probably be a killer product!

Posted by Helio Diamant on 08.04.04 - 08:41:32

Well, I was there with them, didn't by the Ipod, but it was fun to see the big smiles at Arne's and Julio's faces ;-)

Posted by Arne Hess on 08.04.04 - 08:43:52

@Helio Diamant: And you didn't feel tempted to try it out???


Posted by Julio Meneses on 08.04.04 - 09:59:39

@Helio: lol I also know some kids who are going to have really funny faces when you arrive home with your presents ;-)

@Carlo: it's a bit off topic but hey guy, you looked pretty good at your own MVP Poster ;-) we really do missed you at the summit. maybe the next time? :-)

Posted by Arne Hess on 08.04.04 - 10:24:39

@Julio: Thanks! Arne gave me a glimpse of the actual poster. ;-)

I hope to meet you guys next time though...  :-)

Mabuhay! ~ Carlo

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